Curse

odly · Jan 23, 2008, 07:48 AM // 07:48

Imo Song or purification is better for managing conditions in PvE.

Most area's with heavy conditions will reapply the conditions asap, so removing all every 15 sec is not enough. Song at the cost of only 4 adrenalin is more effective.

Racthoh · Jan 23, 2008, 08:01 AM // 08:01

There are two conditions that matter in PvE; Blind and Daze. Weakness to a lesser extent but nobody seems to like warriors that deal damage so mainly just Blind and Dazed. Party heals make up for all the other conditions, or, Song of Purification can keep the entire party clean of those other conditions if your party lacks a decent party heal.

Cautery Signet doesn't help all that much. Wiping a Blind or Dazed every 15 seconds isn't very useful, when in most cases, it will be applied again right away. Mostly just blind though since Dazed isn't all that common in PvE.

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Originally Posted by odly

Imo Song or purification is better for managing conditions in PvE.

Most area's with heavy conditions will reapply the conditions asap, so removing all every 15 sec is not enough. Song at the cost of only 4 adrenalin is more effective.

I agree entirely. Song is 5 strikes however.

It's Just A Flesh Wound! will tear through your energy. If it isn't tearing through your energy apparently you aren't being hit that hard with conditions and you've wasted your elite. In which case even a 4 specced Song of Purification removing 2 conditions from each ally would've been enough.

Terraban · Jan 23, 2008, 10:48 PM // 22:48

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

It's Just A Flesh Wound! will tear through your energy. If it isn't tearing through your energy apparently you aren't being hit that hard with conditions and you've wasted your elite. In which case even a 4 specced Song of Purification removing 2 conditions from each ally would've been enough.

In his example of why Plague Touch won't work...he says "when tanked good". I am guessing that this means when the Warrior has all of the aggro, in which case, occasionally using "It's just a flesh wound" on the "tank" wouldn't be that harsh on energy.

Not saying that I think that IJAFW is strong, nor am I recommending having a "tank", but if you are in a situation where you need to keep all conditions off of this one "tank" then IJAFW might be a good idea.

Racthoh · Jan 23, 2008, 10:55 PM // 22:55

In those situations, makes sense. But doesn't the 'tank' have every prot in the game on him so do conditions even matter?

Shuriken · Jan 24, 2008, 05:08 PM // 17:08

I actually, stupidly enoguh never thought of song of purification, therefore never looked at it close enough. I tested some with song of purification and I think it works mighty fine. Again, thanks for all the ideas & the great discussion going on!

Akolo · Jan 27, 2008, 07:52 PM // 19:52

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Motivation 12+3+1
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Not doing damage on para is like ripping their hands off...
removes the special thing about para which makes them capable of dealing damage while supporting party.

John Panda · Jan 31, 2008, 04:06 AM // 04:06

imo their is no need for a role like this.

just because it works doesnt make it good, or worthwhile.

i'd rather bring mind blast support eles with extinguish (;

Racthoh · Jan 31, 2008, 04:56 AM // 04:56

Areas where Extinguish is useful are fairly limited. The only area where it's an okay idea would be Abaddon's Gate, but Sogolon gets his Cautery Signet recharged so often that it outclasses Extinguish.

erfweiss · Jan 31, 2008, 02:11 PM // 14:11

True, but at Abaddon's Gate, the better option is Me/P. I run that specifically for my alliance. A couple of days ago, we had a slow time of 10:02 to clear in NM.

Shuriken · Jan 31, 2008, 02:47 PM // 14:47

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Originally Posted by Akolo

Not doing damage on para is like ripping their hands off...
removes the special thing about para which makes them capable of dealing damage while supporting party.

Then I probably rolled the wrong class, for the majorty of people that is then. Because I like builds other then the standard sy, TNTF etc.

Akolo · Jan 31, 2008, 02:54 PM // 14:54

yea but para builds should always have one way of dealing damage.. they can still be "healer" and do dmg. putting 9 points in spear mastery is enough ..

Painbringer · Jan 31, 2008, 06:49 PM // 18:49

So if you take [skill]Cautery Signet[/skill] could you not offset the burning with [skill]Remedy Signet[/skill] no energy

I like the idea of frozen armor but only 3 points ?

Moloch Vein · Jan 31, 2008, 07:46 PM // 19:46

The point with the paragon is that it's an extremely economical class. Playing P/Any is very viable (ok, /W for unlinked PvE skill.) This means you can rune all your used attributes. Sacrificing 12->11 in an attribute or two to get an effective spear is pretty good in these cases.

Racthoh · Jan 31, 2008, 10:55 PM // 22:55

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Originally Posted by Shuriken

Then I probably rolled the wrong class, for the majorty of people that is then. Because I like builds other then the standard sy, TNTF etc.

There is no reason why a paragon with TNTF and SY cannot deal damage.

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So if you take [skill]Cautery Signet[/skill] could you not offset the burning with [skill]Remedy Signet[/skill] no energy

I like the idea of frozen armor but only 3 points ?

Either skill is a wasted slot really. If you're removing a lot of conditions that the burning might cause a lot of damage call for a spot condition removal.